From being told at the age of 11 that she has six months to live, to attempting suicide one year ago, Natasha Bowman embodies a courageous spirit. She has been a fighter, advocate for better workplaces, and now a superhero for mental health awareness.
We are honored that Natasha shared her story with us. She discusses the highs of writing a vulnerable post on LinkedIn about her mental health issues to the lows of family members not speaking to her because of said post. Through all of that, Natasha is helping companies and individuals de-stigmatize mental health and shining her bright light on these issues.
For nearly 20 years, Natasha has labored to transform the American workplace from the inside out. As a champion for employees, she’s worked with a broad range of organizations as a C-suite HR executive to create an engaging environment in which employees are respected, genuine leaders are cultivated, and top performance is achieved. Natasha is a modern-day pioneer of workplace equality, inspiring organizations to not just pay lip service to workplace rights but craft highly-engaged cultures where every employee is truly dignified and valued for their contribution. Because of her ability to diagnose workplace issues and provide proven solutions to organizations, she is often referred to as The Workplace Doctor.
Natasha has developed a reputation as an expert consultant through her firm, Performance ReNEW and thought leader for organizations like 4A’s, Translation LLC, Freeman Company, Wiley Publishing and Manhattan College. Apart from her rich expertise and cross-sector experience, she brings an ardent intellectual commitment to the field by serving as an adjunct professor of human resources for distinguished institutions such as Fordham University and Manhattan College. She is a sought after international keynote speaker having been invited to share her knowledge with the New York Police Department, The City of Detroit, Ford Motor Company, The Employers' Association, Temple University, Microsoft, and the Society for Human Resources Management just to name a few. Her expertise is frequently quoted in national publications such as Forbes, Business Insider, U.S. News and World Reports and Bloomberg BNA.
In 2017, her best-selling book, You Can’t Do That at Work! 100 Legal Mistakes That Managers Make in the Workplace was published and has been adopted as a critical resource for managers in organizations across America.
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Keri [00:00:12] Welcome to the reCHARGE® Your Life podcast with me, Dr. Keri Ohlrich and Kelly Guenther. We are thrilled to talk to people who have made a decision that reCHARGE® their lives. Often they push themselves out of their comfort zones and took risks. We want to know about that decision point. Why did they make that decision? And most importantly, how can we learn from them? Kelly and I are passionate HR professionals, and together we co-founded our HR consulting firm Abbracci Group. We have talked to amazing people throughout our careers and listen to them as they made decisions that changed their lives and knew that these inspirational stories would help others. And why did we call it reCHARGE®? It's based on a book I coauthored called The Way of the HR Warrior, and in it we have a leadership model CHARGE which stands for courage, humility, accuracy, resiliency, goal oriented and exemplary. We know that people used one or more of these qualities to help them make their decisions, and we want to learn from them. Now sit back, listen and be inspired by these stories, and then do something to reCHARGE® your life. Let's get to it.
Kelly [00:01:18] Hi, everyone, it's Kelly. We're thrilled to have Natasha Bowman as our special guest. For nearly 20 years, Natasha has labored to transform the American workplace from the inside out as a champion for employees. She's worked with a broad range of organizations as a C-suite executive to create an engaging environment in which employees are respected, genuine leaders are cultivated and top performance is achieved. Natasha is a modern day pioneer of workplace equality, inspiring organizations to not just pay lip service to workplace rights, but craft highly engaged cultures where every employee is truly dignified and valued for their contribution because of her ability to diagnose workplace issues and provide proven solutions to organizations. She's often referred to as the workplace doctor. Natasha has developed a reputation as an expert consultant through her firm performance renew and thought leader for organizations like 4A's Translation LLC, Framing Company, Wylie Publishing and Manhattan College. Apart from her rich expertize and cross-sector experience, she brings an ardent intellectual commitment to the field by serving as an adjunct professor of human resources for a distinguished institution such as Fordham University and Manhattan College. She's a sought after international keynote speaker, having been invited to share her knowledge with the New York Police Department, the City of Detroit, Ford Motor Co., the Employers Association, Temple University, Microsoft and the Society for Human Resources Management, just to name a few. Her expertise is frequently quoted in national publications such as Forbes, Business Insider, U.S. News and World Report and Bloomberg BNA. In 2017, her bestselling book "You Can't Do That at Work! 100 Legal Mistakes that Managers Make in the Workplace" was published and has been adopted as a critical resource for managers and organizations across America. Natasha, thank you so much for being on our podcast. We always like to start our podcast by asking what you do when you want to push yourself and expand your thinking.
Natasha [00:03:29] Thank you so much for having me on this show and what I do to answer that question to push myself and expand my thinking is respect, reflect back on my life and the challenges and the struggles that only that I've faced. But in the generations that came before me faced, for instance, I am the daughter of civil rights pioneers. I was born and raised in Montgomery, Alabama, and my parents lived in Alabama during a time where there was segregation and where black people couldn't accomplish the things that I have managed to accomplish. So when I need to push myself beyond measure, I often think of that. I think about the fact that they followed to make sure that I had every opportunity that I made it to do whatever I want it to do. And that's what pushed what pushes me.
Keri [00:04:20] Hmm. Natasha, I really appreciate that example. Usually people say, like, here's a podcast or a book or something, but I because at times I think we feel we've made no progress on things. But then and you can get anxious and upset and concerned, but then if you kind of look back and have that gratitude and realize, Wow.
Natasha [00:04:47] Absolutely, I definitely have those days, right? When you look on TV, you see certain things. Yeah, oh my gosh, we haven't come very far, but I'm willing to sit back and think and reflect and think about the things that I'm able to do that my mother wasn't able to do. My grandmother wasn't able to do. And you know, that just really helped me, like you say, come from that place of gratitude and continue the work that I do to make this world a better place for my kids because hopefully they will outdo me and be as successful as they want to be with even less obstacles and challenges that I face.
Keri [00:05:26] Yes. Isn't that so great? Just removing those obstacles for the next, the next generation, your children and you're doing a lot around mental health and that's how we connected and to your to your point of 20 years down, maybe your nieces and nephews and children are saying, Oh yeah, we can talk about mental health now. That's not a big deal. Like, that's because we had people like you talking about it and stigmatizing it. So it's OK, you know?
Natasha [00:05:57] Yeah. And you know, that was something I never saw myself, you know, trying to be a groundbreaker, you know, or advocate. You know, I was all about workplace equity. And to be honest, when I thought about mental health, that wasn't in my definition two years ago. You know, it's all creating spaces for those that struggle with their mental health. And it's strange how life takes you, right? Because now that's my primary focus.
Keri [00:06:25] Mm hmm. Well, let's get into the big question then, because as usual, Natasha, I jump too far ahead and I get into the main question without even asking it. So let's get there. So what is the decision you made or a decision maybe that was made for you that changed the trajectory of your of your life? And what are some of those CHARGE qualities that you use to help you during that time?
Natasha [00:06:47] Well, there have been two decisions I've made, and they have both been what I like to call, you know, facing death decisions. So if you know my story and watch my TED talk, I faced death. At 11 years old, I was born with congenital heart disease that got very bad by the time I turned 11. And at 11, I was told that I had six months to live. And I remember I just made the cheerleading team for junior high like a couple of days graduations. Latasha, that's a big, big blow before they told me that and I was always like that, I was very sweet, but I was always very determined to do things regardless of the circumstances. So from the very beginning, I've always had that attitude. So I made the cheerleading team and then I go to the cardiologist and I get they say, "You have six months to live." We've got it. You've got to have open heart surgery and they go through the whole explaining. And you know, my mom, of course, is upset and in tears, and I just calmly look at the doctor and say "Thanks, but no thanks because I just became a cheerleader and I'm not going to have a scar going down my chest." So of course, they ignored my recommendation and had the open heart surgery in June, but I was determined at that moment that nothing would ever stand in my way of doing what I want to do in achieving the things I wanted to achieve. And that was a life turning moment for me. And guess what? In August I was at cheerleading camp with that big scar down my chest doing flips and everything else. People were amazed, like, I can't believe this is happening. So, you know, in that moment, I knew, you know, that there may be times in my life if I'm facing this at 11, there's no telling what's ahead. But that was a defining moment for me. And there have been other defining moments that second time was this time last year. In fact, this week, last year, you know, I attempted suicide. And just surviving that and coming out on the other end and being able to have this conversation with you a year later and being in such a better space than I was now. So, you know, I can't really nail it down to one moment, but I would say that those are the two moments that have been life defining in life changing for me.
Keri [00:09:12] Wow. So those are some pretty big moments. Let's take the first one because I am now envisioning you because I've seen your picture like the little 11 year old and Tasha and you're like, I am that good because I just made cheerleading. So there. And so where did that come from? I mean, I have, I know, 11 year olds and some of them are not going to be able to be that strong and like, No, thank you. And here's why I'm like, What were you always like this strong kid or did something click in you when this happened? Like, what do you think that came from?
Natasha [00:09:49] You know what? To be honest. Yes. Always strong. Always out there. Always extroverted. My, my mother was a pageant mom, so I was in pageants at the time. I was two years old, and she always described all the other kids had to be escorted on stage by their parents so they would hide behind them and be all sigh. And I would say, OK, you stay here. I'm going on stage now. And then I would I would go out there, do my thing. I love the stage, you know, and continue to love the stage. Even now, being a professional speaker, people ask me, "You know, why are you so comfortable?" Like, I love the stage, you know? Also, I was always like that as far as I can remember. I just always thought that there was nothing that could stand in my way of doing things, and I think it's just in my DNA. Like I stated, I came from a family of activists and advocates and a family of fighters that have deep rooted in my blood.
Keri [00:10:48] I think that, yeah, no, you're right. You see these kind of traits in families and kids, sometimes, as you well know, can be very, very different from their parents. And you're like, Where did they come from? Does that kind of that strength? You look back at the family line and my family has a bunch of entrepreneurs in it and I'm like, Oh, no wonder I see a lot of people going, Well, that's a stupid rule. That's a stupid. And like you said, you have this fighters in civil rights. And so you had this this deep courage throughout your bloodline. Just doing that and you kind of get this contact high off of it as a kid and you and you're just like, of course you fight it.
Natasha [00:11:32] And you know, in the more understood it, the more I understood what they went through. It was not just courage, but it was an obligation, as you know, because, you know, I hear of what they went through with every part of the Selma to Montgomery march and for voting rights and with my dogs. My mother integrated the high school that I went to and the college and she was spat on. She was kicked downstairs. And you know, I would hear all of these stories. So I say, you know, it's my obligation to all to make sure that their fight, what they went through, both physically and. Mentally, and like I said, a family, not just my parents, just generation after generation to ensure that I am carrying on that, that that wasn't in vain. You know, and so so that's what I wake up every day. Not every day is a good day. I wake up sometimes and it's really hard to go to bed. It's really hard to do the work that I do. But I think about, you know, well, how hard was it for my ancestors who had to get up and work in voluntarily? No pay, you know, in these extreme conditions, and they had no choice, right? So therefore, I think of those types of things and coming from that place of gratitude because, yeah, I have a choice I got to do or I've got to choose what I do and I get to love what I do. And that is such an honor and a privilege. And I don't want to waste one single day not appreciating the fact that that is a privilege and an honor.
Keri [00:13:02] Mm-Hmm. And I think it goes to as you're talking to, it's that exemplary, that trait that we talk about that Kelly and I talk about in the HR worry about, too is just that it is knowing that there's something kind of bigger. It's the gratitude. You don't know everything. It's your obligation. I mean, I just love that that is this trait in you. And I can see, I mean, it just comes out of you all the time, Natasha.
Natasha [00:13:31] Thank you. Thank you.
Keri [00:13:33] So Natasha, let's get to the second thing then and what I saw on LinkedIn and why we really wanted to talk to you and this mental health. Because now listening to your story, Natasha, you I would assume most people said to you, you're so strong, you're so confident, you're so big. Is that correct? Most people would say that?
Natasha [00:13:53] Yes.
Keri [00:13:53] OK. So I would think then. So to tell me how this when you had the suicide attempt and the mental health crisis, that people were shocked, maybe. Yeah. Like, how did how did they how did you reconcile it personally? How did everyone else? I don't want you to have to go into extreme detail. It's just who you are like, I'm so strong and I have courage and this obligation. And then to hit this wall and to go through what you went through. Take us to kind of how you reconcile that.
Natasha [00:14:26] What happened, you know, not a single person knew that I was struggling. You know, I had this ability, just like I told you, here I am so sick. I have six months to live. I'm trying out for cheerleading. So it was the same way where I was still showing up. Like I said, I always force myself to get out of bed. It was during COVID, so I would turn on my Zoom smile at like everything was OK and it wasn't OK. And even after the attempt and I had to spend 10 days and involuntarily in a behavior health institute, I came back and the next day out of my I that discharge on a Saturday and on Monday, guess what? I was back on Zoom smiling. And yeah, oh my goodness. So when I told my story several months later, when I decided to share my story, the messages that I got was like, What are you talking about? Like, almost every day this year felt like I even miss you for the whole ten days. Like, How did this happen? Right? So you know what I really had to come to terms with is that, you know, I think, you know, being part of it was, you know, this expectation that I set for myself. That was also the expectation of others, right? I had this that myself up as how you wake up, you're happy, you're grateful. You know, you're not allowed to have bad days, right? Because you have to have so much gratitude. And so what I had to do to reconcile that is that, you know what? Yeah, you can be grateful, but you can also not be OK at the same time and that your best does it have to be perfection? So if my best for the day is not to be able to get up and get out of bed and get on a zoom or wherever, that's OK, that's my best. And that's OK. And that's not perfection. And it's, you know, and that's OK. And that's really where I am. And to be honest, I'm still struggling with that. You know, I'm still struggling with, you know, not every day pushing myself beyond limits, et cetera, et cetera. And you know, Jesse, when I talk to my husband about that, like, Hey, I can't look at my calendar. I've got to make sure I'm not so back to back and you know, all of this. And but, you know, being vulnerable, like, you know, you saw the LinkedIn post that posted this weekend that I was having a bad day. And you know, that's very helpful for me. And to get the messages that I get that people say that they too are suffering helps me to know that I'm not alone. And. It's OK. And, you know, and I haven't perfected this yet, and I don't know if I ever will. But I've made a commitment to be better every day to learn more about myself every day and to to ask for help and surround myself with people with positive people that bring great energy. And you know, and it felt to me for me, and it's not that my best may not be perfection, and that was something else that I also did not do in the past.
Keri [00:17:39] Hmm. That's what. Well, I want to say that the courage and the gratitude still flows through you now in sharing your story because you didn't have to even have shared story. No one even noticed it. So I think, Natasha, when because again, there's a lot of societal pressure to be strong and not talk about these things, especially in specific cultures. What did what did you really have to change then? Because before were you? Were you vulnerable to some people maybe saying it? Or did you not talk about it at all before?
Natasha [00:18:24] Well, I was my family, my immediate family. And to be honest, that didn't all that didn't always go great. My Mother hadn't spoken to me in months because of this and other several members in my immediate family. And so that definitely was a discourager or dissuader from steering the story like, Oh, my own mother is going to respond this way, then how will strangers respond? Right? So, you know, a lot of that had to do with the stigma again, especially in the African-American community. And it's really, really big, especially in her generation. But, you know, essentially I just woke up one day. I've always been very, very vulnerable. If you go look at my LinkedIn profile because I've been there about 10 years now. If you look at I've always been vulnerable about things, you know, whether it's my that open heart surgery or struggle, you know, leadership issues, my mistakes, others mistakes, et cetera. And I thought, Well, why would I stop being vulnerable now in this moment that can be so important to others? Why would I shield and mask my vulnerability? And so just one day I told my husband, I think going to share my story. He was very supportive. And you know, that's when I just woke up one morning post it that professional picture and said, "This is the face of bipolar disorder."
Keri [00:19:53] Mm hmm. Were you now what? So let's talk about some of the positive. I just want to I want people to hear because we started the podcast before you recorded with a couple of people's responses to your videos. Let's talk about all this like positivity that you received from it. So you posted it, and you must have. I would assume Natasha feel a little bit sick before you hit post.
Natasha [00:20:16] Oh yeah. I mean, this could be a career or, you know, it does not go well. And I remember a poll submitted like taking my shower or getting dressed, and I would hear my phone go, Boom, boom, boom, boom. And after a while, I was like, Let me just kind of look and see what's going on. And I think I had over 100 notifications like within 30 minutes. And as the day progressed, that number just grew and grew and grew to love me. Tens of thousands of likes comments the demos were coming in, and I just spent all night going through every single comment, every single day, just crying with people. And what was amazing were that the messages that I got were, you know, it had no boundaries. It came from every single demographic that you can imagine, every single geographic location with people relating to my story. For them, sales from those that they loved and it struggled. I'm talking political boundaries, race, boundaries, religion. I mean, it was extraordinary. And and that's when I knew I made the right decision. You know, and just reading those stories and just people pouring out their hearts, I mean, I responded to every single one that night, every single day. Yeah. And I was up. I literally did not sleep making sure that I let those people know. If you've sat down and took time to write your story to me, I'm going to let you know that I read it, you know, and that you're seen and that you're heard. And so I responded to every single message that I received that night and and it just kept taking off. I ended up in a partnership with LinkedIn, where I did a commercial about conversations for change that were happening on the platform. So nothing but positive came from it. I mean, I just what I did, although I. Lost people, family, you know, this blood. I gained a family, you know, that's a struggle. And I would not, you know, take back what I did for for anything.
Keri [00:22:19] Hmm. That's sometimes like you said, there's a there is your blood family and there's a chosen family that's not that close and family can be a lot about shared trauma or shared experiences. So what? Natasha, it's such a beautiful story and and and the impact that you've had. Let's talk about because we love action. Kelly and I love like we love that gas, but we want to always have like action and what people can do. And so what would you suggest? I think let's take it a couple of different ways, Natasha, because you're a kick ass HR person as well. That's how you started, right? Because we're all amazing and HR. Let's just say that.
Natasha [00:23:04] We are - each and every one of us.
Keri [00:23:08] Because companies are managing this mental health I've seen. So I know you've seen them, Natasha. The stats of it's the most critical thing. Employees are worried. What can we do? So let's take it to waste and Tasha. Companies like What kind of advice do you have? Her company is putting on your very important HR executive hat. Like, what would you do then? Because we know real individuals listen to this. If you are struggling with mental health or you have a family member who's struggling, what would you what would your advice and coaching be for them? So let's say companies first. Okay. Yeah.
Natasha [00:23:44] So for companies is creating these, you know, cultures where people feel comfortable talking about their mental health struggles. I wrote in my LinkedIn newsletter, You know, dear balls, I'm struggling with my mental health and gave some tips within that letter of how to have that conversation with your boss know, because I think that's very scary for employees to do so. So making space for just like recently, we've been talking about issues around race issues around LGBTQ community, et cetera, et cetera. Let's start having these conversations and making space to talk about it and then providing resources. Although I have a very good insurance plan, what I found out was that a lot of insurance plans really don't really cover mental health or a lot of provider insurance. So I was paying up to $300 an hour out of my pocket for therapy. You know, so even if your insurance doesn't cover it, you know, some kind of supplemental something for your employees to be able to have the resources that they need. And finally, you know, and as HR people, we know a lot of people's mental health comes from their work environment. So doing an assessment of your culture to make sure that there is nothing disrupting your culture that could be providing or contributing to the mental health crisis, you know? And so those were the three things that I would do. But that first one, I think that last one rather really comes first. You know, is there anything here that is not contributing to employee wellness and mental wellness? Are there? Is there anything processes people, you know, examining and assessing that and, you know, getting rid of that, it starts there, you know, because many of the people that I talked to. It was about, you know, their work environment, you know, and so I think we've got to start there.
Keri [00:25:53] Mm-Hmm. I love that Kelly and I have often said one of the reasons we love talking about culture and why HR is so important is to your point, if I am horrible at work, meaning the environment is bad, it's toxic. You don't think I'm going to come home and carry that through. Yes, it is a very interesting, unusual person to work in such a bad environment and then open the door and be like, Hello family, just like and have a great day. Really? Exactly. Fixing that culture. And you know, Natasha, I know you see and I've done a little bit of research, but there's starting to be quite a few companies that will offer like I've seen ginger offering mental health resources to employees and a different platform and holding those costs way down. So it might not be one on one therapy, but a lot of different resources. And so there are some interesting new companies that are that are working on that that if organizations interested, they can do the research and find in part.
Natasha [00:26:57] Yeah, yeah, I've seen lots of it better up. I mean, it's lots of amazing companies out there that are doing it. Yep.
Keri [00:27:03] So thank you for the company advice now. Personally, what if, if you know, people who are struggling or you're struggling yourself, what would advice would you would you give?
Natasha [00:27:16] It's OK to say you're struggling, right? You know, be in tune with your body. I think a lot of times things are happening from a chemical perspective within our brains, and we kind of ignored. Why am I feeling this way about people places things that I've never felt before, you know, so it's just like if you were to have a shoulder ache, you know, and all of a sudden is coming out of nowhere, it is persistent. You would go get that checked out. So again, pay attention to not just your body, but you know what's going on in your brain? Are you having thoughts you never had before? You know those types of things and then get that checked out. So start there and it's OK to you don't have to wait for something to happen. I think that having a therapist talking, even if you're feeling OK, is still just like you go for annual physical, you know, you can do that as well for your brain, you know. And then, like I say, it's around. Once you figure that out, then surround yourself with people who are supportive of your mental health, right? Because a lot of people don't contribute in a positive way, so evaluate who your support group is. Form a support group because to me, that's been the most beneficial thing to me is to have that support group within my home, outside of my home, just someone, the group of people I can turn to and talk and then accept it, right? If you've been diagnosed the illness, accept it. It's hard to you feel. I'll admit you feel embarrassed or ashamed. You know, when you get that diagnosis, you think you've done something wrong. You know, you think your career is over. Accept it and, you know, go forward with your treatment. You know, just like if you were diagnosed with cancer or anything else, you would not say, Oh, no, no thanks to chemo or not that you would be right there with your mental health diagnosis. And then just because you're feeling better still continue with your treatment because guess what? Your treatment is, why you're feeling better. Don't stop. So, I mean, that's just my advice. I'm going to admit I'm new to this. Like, this is not been my life. I'm new. I'm still learning, I'm still growing. I'm still accepting certain things. And so just so far, you know, within this year or so, that has been what's worked for me. And like I said, I'm very proud of myself for where I am today, compared to where I was a year ago.
Keri [00:29:37] Hmm. So impressive. And I want to emphasize your advice to folks of just first of all, I love how you're like it's an annual exam for your brain. I think it's great. But yeah, it's great. And that whole stigma of therapy, if there is, there's so many things I wish I could erase, but I wish I could erase that one because it really is. It's a it's it's good for your brain. And to your point, especially, we've had family members who are bi, who are bipolar and you if you don't keep work in the program, so to speak and feel better. But it's you feel better because you're found the right medication, the right therapy, the right. And when you are offered, it's not very helpful to you, right? Yeah. And I think you have done so much and you didn't, you know, you had no idea you're just going to be a cheerleader at 11. Natasha, you had no idea.
Natasha [00:30:34] No, I had no idea.
Keri [00:30:37] You had no idea that, you know, just a few years later, my young friend. Right, right. Yeah. A few years later, just a few. That's what we're going to say. You would be the cheerleader for mental health and de-stigmatize in it and saying, You know what? I'm an executive and I have bipolar and I have attempted suicide and I'm here. Like, how amazing.
Natasha [00:31:02] Thank you, Thank you.
Keri [00:31:08] So, Kelly, what are you? What are the inspirations that you're gleaning from Natasha and how impactful her story is?
Kelly [00:31:19] Well, I can't help but think about how you mentioned at the very start how you seek to carry on a legacy of what generations before you have endured and fought for. And I can't help but think about how proud they would be because they had to go through things and and very difficult things. And so have you and that you share so much of who you are so completely and wholeheartedly on LinkedIn and in other channels, for sure, the challenges, but also the triumphs. And so it really is. If you haven't had an opportunity to take a look at Natasha's LinkedIn in particular, each I, as I've reflected on your our conversation today, each of your posts, as I've been thinking, is really a form of acceptance and acknowledgment of who you are and. That really others are not alone, we're all in this together. So there's a post where you talk about who you are, the challenges you face. And then also me, you've never suffered from heart disease again after your open heart surgery. You went to law school as a single mother on a full scholarship and the litany of things you've been able to accomplish that most would never be able to accomplish in a lifetime. And how a year ago that may not have even been possible. But here you are sharing your story with us. It just is so beyond moving. And so I'm just I'm so grateful for you sharing or sharing your story with us and continuing to spread the message of how important mental health is and how important sharing stories is to the conversation. Because no doubt you will. You will make a huge impact in what you're sharing today with our audience. I know you will.
Natasha [00:33:03] Oh, thank you so much for those kind words.
Kelly [00:33:07] Absolutely. And I will post all of Natasha's information in our our show notes so that you have access to it. And again, please, please, please look at everything that Natasha has posted. She is someone that is she's a force to be reckoned with. We're so grateful to know you, Natasha. And again, thank you so much for sharing your story with us. We're so grateful to you.
Natasha [00:33:31] Thank you for having me.
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