Tricia Manning had us at “I love the CHARGE model”. But back to Tricia! After 25 years in corporate she had the hallmarks of success: office, promotion, salary. One day she scheduled appointments for her husband to go for a health screen and she thought, “I might as well do it too.” While she was at the health screen, they told her she needed open heart surgery. What the heck?
She talks about her health crisis and how that was her wake-up call. It pushed her to review her career and make the decision to start her own business. She used Courage, Humility and Resilience during this challenging time. Tricia needed courage to face her fears and start on her own (even when people were saying, “Why would you leave a good job?”) She needed humility as she was starting from scratch. Lastly, when making any big changes, she needed to be resilient! Now, she wants to help others when they are in the same types of situations.
Tricia is a certified executive coach and has been a student of human behavior all her life. At the age of 5, her father was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis and her mom became the full-time caregiver and breadwinner. This early experience influenced Tricia's values, beliefs, and style as she rose through the ranks in corporate America to become 1 of only 2 female executives at the corporate table.
After facing an unexpected health crisis in 2016, Tricia made the difficult decision to end her 25-year corporate career, but she wasn't ready to stop helping others. With a passion for growing influential leaders and fighting for gender diversity in the boardroom, Tricia began her own coaching practice and wrote the book, Lead with Heart and Leave a Legacy.
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Keri [00:00:11] Welcome to the reCHARGE®, Your Life podcast with me, Dr. Keri Ohlrich and Kelly Guenther. We are thrilled to talk to people who have made a decision that reCHARGE® their lives often. They push themselves out of their comfort zones and took risks. We want to know about that decision point. Why did they make that decision? And most importantly, how can we learn from them? Kelly and I are passionate HR professionals and together we co-founded our HR consulting firm Abbracci Group. We have talked to amazing people throughout our careers and listen to them as they made decisions that changed their lives and knew that these inspirational stories would help others. And why did we call it reCHARGE®? It's based on a book I coauthored called The Way of the HR Warrior. And in it we have a leadership model CHARGE which stands for courage, humility, accuracy, resiliency, goal oriented and exemplary. We know that people used one or more of these qualities to help them make their decisions. And we want to learn from them now, sit back, listen and be inspired by these stories and then do something to reCHARGE® your life. Let's get to it.
Kelly [00:01:17] Hi, everyone. It's Kelly. We're thrilled to have Tricia Manning as our special guest. Tricia is a certified executive coach and has been a student of human behavior all her life. At the age of five, her father was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and her mom became the full time caregiver and breadwinner. This early experience influenced Tricia's values, beliefs and style as she rose to the ranks in corporate America to become one of only two female executives at the corporate table. After facing an unexpected health crisis in 2016, Tricia made the difficult decision to end her 25 year corporate career, but she wasn't ready to stop helping others with a passion for growing influential leaders and fighting for gender diversity in the boardroom. Tricia began her own coaching practice and wrote the book Leave with Heart and Leave a Legacy. Tricia, we're thrilled to have you on our podcast today. And we always like to start by asking what is something that you do when you want to push yourself, expand your thinking.
Tricia [00:02:19] Oh, I love this question, Kelly. And thank you for having me. I am a big learner, right. And this whole idea of of leaders as learners always bringing new thinking in. And so for me, being very intentional about finding inspiration is important. So I loved this question and I went right to the practices that I have in place around reading and and listening to books and podcasts. And so I have some favorites. Anything Brene Brown is a great read, a great lesson that keeps me grounded. And for those of us who are on this continuous learning journey for our own selves and for others as well. She's a great inspiration. I also just will share a book that I read more recently. And I don't know if you guys have read this book, Wolfpack, by Abby Wambach, it really challenged my thinking around old school leadership roles that I have lived by and often didn't even notice my whole career. And so that was a really great read. So anything that helps me bring outside thinking in and provides that inspiration really is the way I expand my thinking.
Keri [00:03:52] Welcome, Trisha, thank you for those books and I have to ask you some more questions. They sound great. Let me go to the latter first Wolfpack. I haven't read it. I saw her interviewed. And Abbie, what is the or was I'm not sure she's still she was the US women's soccer coach. The captain. Is that correct?
Tricia [00:04:15] And she's retired at this time. She's onto her next chapter.
Keri [00:04:19] Yes. And so I know she's really fighting for equal rights and women. And I remember seeing as she was talking, she was on The Daily Show, I think, when the book came out and I heard her speak. I'm like, those are some pretty cool rules that she's that she's taking a different look at. What's one that that stood out to you? You like her? I've been in corporate and oh, that's the one I kind of followed to. And here's the new rule. Yes. Yeah.
Tricia [00:04:44] Yeah. The one that really stood out for me because I. I just did this my whole career, my whole career. I kind of thought to myself, oh, you're just lucky I hadn't had success over the years and and worked my way up. And that that tough check for myself was you're just lucky. And so I was very focused on being grateful, you know, gratitude every day when I showed up and I've been given this, I should be grateful. So that's kind of the old rule. Like just keep your head down, be grateful for what you've given. This is especially true with women, right? The new rule being, I'm grateful, but darn it, I'm going to ask for what I want and I'm going to take it so that new rule of really standing up for yourself and I can be grateful and ask for what I want.
Keri [00:05:37] I know Kelly and I talk about that quite a lot, Tricia and I try to even watch saying, well, I'm so lucky, like Kelly and I, we worked really hard on the business, just like you work really hard at your business and sometimes say you're lucky, discounts all that really hard work. And we're able to take up we're capitalizing on all the hard work. So, yeah, that's great that someone met someone at a coffee shop and said, oh, I need someone in HR. And then I go, I know Keri and Kelly. Right? I mean, that feels like luck. But all that you did to get to that point, for someone to refer you, for the client to call you and for you to do a good job, that's not luck. That's all that hard work. So I try that word lucky, especially like you said, for women, that discounts what you're doing. And so you can be grateful, but you can sure as hell ask for stuff. What are the favorite things that I talk about is really like what? What would a man ask for? Because there's there's a stuff men ask for money, man, ask for stock options and ask for the promotion. So how can we learn from them? Sometimes because they ask...yeah, they do. They ask and sometimes with no talent behind it.
Tricia [00:07:01] Right. Right. And and women tend to hold that up. And there's statistics. Right. Women women need to be tapped on the shoulder three and four times. Hey, you should consider applying for that job where whereas most of the time the majority of them. Hey, I'm all in have to tell me twice. Yeah.
Keri [00:07:24] Yeah. There is this kind of what can we learn from them and that kind of boldness. And I were talking earlier, Tricia has children and I don't know if you've seen this, Tricia, you have a girl and a boy, another one. But there's only two right now. And for for purposes of our example and I look at my son and I'm like, damn, that's some confidence. Like when he shouldn't be confident at all. And yet there are something in there that I was like, wow, I want to steal some of that sometimes because women I don't know if you see it with your.
Tricia [00:08:00] Oh, I see it happen real quick stories that we had. We were having dinner one evening and. My daughter is 14 and and she was we were talking about social media and she had this moment of comparing herself to other people and and so we had a discussion at the dinner table about how comparison, you know, it can be used for good or bad. Right. It's a what are the ways, hey, Nicholas, that you compare yourself because your sister compares and that doesn't make her feel good. And then I compare and I look at that and say, I'm better than that. I did better than him. I could beat him any day. You know, it was a perfect example of how different, you know, girls and boys can look at world men and women, right?
Keri [00:08:51] Yeah. Yeah, I love that. He's like I look at it. Come on now. In the past, I know what you're talking about. I'm amazed. People are like, oh, maybe not that amazing, but I like the confidence And then for Brene Brown, you said it keeps you grounded. Do you have a couple of your favorite ideas or quotes that she says that help you keep grounded?
Tricia [00:09:25] You know, I mean, she obviously she's a shame researcher, so that that was kind of a light bulb moment for me as I really started to dig into her work around shame. But I would I would I like more. So is her work around courage and, you know, this whole idea of. Don't don't judge me if you're not in the ring with me. So if you're not here in the arena fighting for, you know, what I'm fighting for or striving for what I'm striving for, then then I don't need your opinion. And that's a shift. That's that's a refrain. Right. So a lot of times when we're working with leaders in our work, all of us on this call, on this podcast, reframe is important. And to me, that's a very powerful reframe. It takes courage to be in the arena. And I don't need to accept your judgment or, you know, what you're dishing out if you're not here with me experiencing it.
Keri [00:10:40] Yeah, that one. I might steal that one. I just I really like that we say it especially in the in the HR world. And so Kelly and I do work as HR generalists and we're in the ranks. You're in it. So then when we talk to other HR people are we're talking about how to be a warrior. We know what it's like. So because it's very easy, you know, planning is planning fun. Planning is. Well, I know not everyone says that, but I think planning is fun. You know, we could really argue, Tricia, over, well, how should we do it? What date? All that. And and you and I could spend hours on planning. And yet that is not even close to how difficult the execution is. And a lot of times people do the planning and then drop it on an HR generalist perhaps. Right. Enjoy that. And it's really hard to if you're not in it with me, then why am I listening to this crud? Sometimes it could be really good advice, but a lot of times it's just kind of people pooh poohing it. So that's wonderful that I'm going to have to pick up some more brownie brown books, which I don't have an wolf pack because I've been looking at it. I'm like, I need to get that one and then add it to the stack. Tricia, of all the books on that read. Yeah. Which is which could fall over like a Hoarders house and my other books, I haven't run. So thank you for those recommendations. We love, love, love. What now the big question and you've already in the bio. There's a couple of things I think you might talk about. What is the decision that changed the trajectory of your life and what are some of those charged qualities that you used to help you make that decision on?
Tricia [00:12:23] Yeah, I love I love the church and the way this was great to reflect and kind of think about your model and when these qualities through the lens of my experiences, you know, we all have those defining moments in our lives where we could pick the path that goes left or right. Right. So I've had a few of those, obviously, in my in my years. But the one that stands out that really, I think set me definitely set me on this new path that I'm on now as an executive leadership coach was the decision that I made to leave my twenty five year corporate career. And, you know, the decision was pretty hard. And it and it was it came with some drama, actually. So it was the result of a health scare. And so you know how you know, I'm a big believer, don't waste a crisis. Right. And so it took a crisis for me to kind of wake up and make that decision. I I had I had been in at my company for twenty five years, worked my way up through the ranks, was in a sea level position. I had achieved every measure of success. Right. But like the corner office and the big and the nice paycheck and everybody looking in, this was like how you did it, you know, look at you. And I went for a job and health screen, a little story there. I was more worried about my husband's health because he had some stress in his business. And so I forced it to take a long weekend, go to Jacksonville and let's just let's go get some baseline tests done at the Mayo. And little did I know that within the first couple hours of that day that I would be learning that I would be having open heart surgery. So it was it was one of those moments of of life hits you over the head with that proverbial two by four. And it was my wake up call that I need to learn something from this. So the crisis caused me to kind of wake up from that said. In the hour, work week, the job, the successful job that I have been doing for years and and really unpack that and think about what? I might be doing if I wasn't doing this, and so that decision was was difficult because I had read, I had to find success rate, I had achieved everything and and it was hard, but it was good. And what does a change look like? And if I were to really learn from this experience and and take those steps toward change, what the heck would I even do? Right. So when I think about that experience, for me, there were three of your qualities that actually came through. The courage was one. And that was the you know, I mean, I, I had I was challenging what I should do. I was facing the fears associated with that and what everybody else thought would be a crazy move. Why would you ever leave that job like you've you've made it. You've been there for so long. So courage this the other one that came through clearly for me was humility. So I had to leave what I knew. And redefine success in a new way. I didn't know all the answers when I left and embarked on my own building my coaching practice, I had been at my company for so long, I kind of knew the answers I was the go to. And so it took humility for me to really put myself into a learning mindset, but but also be humble in the fact that I didn't know everything. And then the other one that came that came up to me was resilient. And and I was definitely as you as you define it in your in your model or you in it for the long haul. Yeah, I was in it for the long haul. If I was going to make this move out of corporate America, it would be to pursue, you know, something that was a passion of mine that served other people for the long haul. And I had to manage my emotions. I was scared to embark on that significant change. And so I had to be resilient through that transition and through the ups and downs of starting your own business from scratch, you know, after so many years.
Keri [00:17:25] Wow, Tricia, there's so much there. First of all, I'm glad you're healthy and you're with us. You remind me, though, of the the health screening. And one of I remember and I don't know if the state is still true. I would think so. But it was married. Married men live longer than on this one. Yes. That's because it's the woman constantly taking them to doctors. Right. And screenings. And then, of course, married women don't live as long as single women because we have too much stress taking them to the doctor's office. So when you put that, you twist it that way, because I bring in you husband to the doctor because you're stressed. We got to figure this out. So, Tricia, so I just need to get like because I like drama and I like you're like, yeah, that's the that's the movie part, right. You're doing wrong. And now. Oh my God, it's the second act and you're going to and you're going to find this out. So you just go to a screening and they tell you and we're going to violate hip hop for you right now. We're just going to do that. Tricia, too. They just they just say to you, can you please stick around for an open heart surgery? Like, I'd be like, what? How come onshore? Like with how what happened?
Tricia [00:18:43] Yeah, it well, you know, I my husband was in one room getting screened and I was in another room and the first doctor came through and then the second doctor and by the third doctor and more tests I was like, what's going on?
Keri [00:18:58] Yeah. What's going on?
Tricia [00:19:01] And and they said, "We need to talk," and I said, "Can someone get my husband?" Right. So so I actually found out that I had a hole in my heart and they found a tumor in my chest.
Keri [00:19:16] Oh, my God.
Tricia [00:19:18] It was kind of a double whammy. And I had to they didn't put me right on the table. They had to do more tests. So I was I was back seven times in fourteen days. Oh, four more tests. And at which point they determined the best course of action for you, my dear, with two significant issues is to crack it open. And we take care of this. Oh, so I had I had a few weeks to to get my head wrapped around that and and plan for the surgery. Well yeah. So that was, that was drama. Right. What do you tell your kids. What do you think it was right around Christmas time. What are we going to do about Christmas.
Keri [00:20:04] Oh my goodness. So and again, this is where and Kelly and I have talked about this. We sent a newsletter out about some of this is be sure to get screenings, be sure to do proactive medicine, like do all these things because you really don't know. Things can change very quickly without. So during those kind of 14 days before the surgery, were you it was just all about your how were you starting to think of like the job issue or that come like after the surgery? When did it kind of pop into your head? Like I really got to change all this?
Tricia [00:20:37] Yeah. It's so interesting. Right. So until I had never been in that kind of situation before. So it was it was it was as people say, it is. Right. All of a sudden your health and your family come to the forefront. Yes. Everything else goes to the back. Yeah. And so I was very focused on the game plan. Right. And and and as you heard a little in my bio to my mom when I was young, my dad was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. My mom became the breadwinner and caregiver. Supporting our family. And so what was interesting and what I didn't realize, I just kind of I modeled what I had seen her growing up, which was step right into action. We're going to get through this. We're going to put our plan together. We're going to get everybody taken care of. And we're going to get on the other side of it. And so I went into that mode and and I'm part of that planning was also obviously work and thinking about, you know, just planning for my my my leave. I didn't. I didn't start thinking about that, what a transition out of my corporate role would look like until later, and so I had a little time. However, I would tell you I knew enough going in that this was happening for a reason. It was supposed to tell me something. So. I was very intentional to document everything, take a lot of pictures through the process, which sounds kind of crazy, but I wanted to make sure after I got through it that I didn't do what I always did, which was compartmentalize that and move on. Mm hmm. And that's kind of just how I how I've always operated. And I knew that I needed to have some reference that reminded me of that, you know, experience and just see it through my family's eyes and really even take that when I was ready and and let that really guide me to whatever I would do next. And and so I went into it with that mindset. So I didn't really know what I was going to do after, but I knew something was going to change.
Keri [00:23:09] How? Well, I love that you took it as it even the pictures of I need to learn something from this, because you're right, there are many people who get something like that, a health issue. Someone passes maybe suddenly in the family or money. Whatever happens, there's a lesson. And some people, like you said, compartmentalize it. So well, that's that's just that. And just go on doing exactly what they're doing or like you did. No, I need to learn from this and I want to remember it. And I don't want to forget it because it's going to be so easy to get pulled back. It would have been really easy for you to get pulled back into your corporate life. So that really just take I want to get to some of the qualities you talked about that really takes that courage to say I'm not going to go back. And so one thing that I know you hear and we hear all the time is I can't do it because what will people say to leave the job? Because my family says that's good insurance. That's good. Like, why would you leave that? That's a good stable job. If I had a stable job one more time, that's a good stable job. How did you because you mentioned you had some other people say kind of why would I why would you leave? How did you have the courage to say, I don't care what you say, I'm going to do what I need to do?
Tricia [00:24:30] Yeah, that was the hard one and I heard I heard that a lot, I had friends. Like what? You've been there forever and you're successful. Right, right. I so part of my courage in doing that was was some of my own, some soul searching. Right. And self talk. So we talked about reframe, you know, and just making sure I was clear for myself on on what this opportunity was. I mean, there's a reason and I kind of reinforce that the the other thing I talked about, Bernie Brown, like courage. If you're not in the arena with me, I was very lucky that my I would say, you know, some key people in my life were in the arena with me. So while you I had people saying, why would you do that? You should you shouldn't be you know, you've had such success. You should be doing that. Why don't you just go back? There were people close to me that were in the arena with me, and that gave me courage to just then they were saying, now, how do you do you you've earned you know, so that helped give me courage, though, as you know, that self reflection plus surrounding myself with. The louder voices that were were building up versus those that were maybe questioning,
Keri [00:26:07] Yes, because a lot of times some, um Kelly, I have talked to this a lot of times. Where is that coming from when they're questioning you? Because that's sometimes their own fear. That's not what's good for Tricia and what's good for them. Because if you if you leave. Well, should I leave with a tape? I like I kind of like that status quo. I'm sure you've seen that homeostasis in psychology where I just want to go back. I just want to I want everyone to stay kind of the status quo faces. And and it's really it's really scary for people for you to step out and do something different. They're like, what is she doing? No, I don't I don't want to do that. I don't want oh, she's making me think about my life. So we ask advice. We were talking earlier on the podcast that we love. We love this this podcast because we always love advice and action, because we're action people, action, ladies. So and I know because you're a learning person, really thought about advice that you would get. Plus, this is what you do, Tricia. So, yeah. So not just your intellectual property, but what advice would you give people when they're kind of facing the same probably situation? There's a lot of people with, of course, health issues. Covid has made a lot of people think about their lives, think about their careers. What advice do you have for them?
Tricia [00:27:32] Yeah, that's such a good point. There's so many people right now. You know, I had a I had a personal health crisis. The world is having a health crisis. Right. And so that has really opened a lot of people's minds up to maybe I should be more open to change. Now's the time we need to find my own path. And so I love the three things that you can do. And I will. And I want clients through this. The first thing is to find capacity. So how do I do that? Well, if you think about the world we live in, we are many of us are just kind of on that hamster wheel in our mental real estate is completely taken up by everything going on. We're just constantly in the grind and we don't slow down. To be able to let new thinking in, so the first step is find some mental real estate, find some capacity for you to even take a breath and think about what's possible for yourself. So how might you do that? Well. You can ask yourself some questions, what's draining me on a day to day basis, what's really zapping my energy? What's the one thing that if I considered or resolved it in my life, you know what I'm thinking about, it would help me. Make progress toward making change and it would create room for change. So that's the first step is really fine capacity. And those are some questions you can ask yourself to to find what might be draining you that you can resolve to let new thinking in. The second thing is then to define who you want to be. So then oftentimes when people are thinking about a change, you're like, well, I don't even know what the heck I would do. I want to change, but I don't know where I would go from here. So the the way that you can think about this is asking yourself a couple of questions. Again, self reflection. Who do I want to be every day when I wake up and how do I want to contribute? Asking yourself those two questions and just writing down what comes to you might help you get a better line of sight as to what a next step might be. This isn't about walking into your boss's office and planning to write. This is about really thinking intentionally about what your next step might be. That would be the right next step. That would be more fulfilling, that would enhance your life. And so here it's defining who you want to be when you're operating at your best. What what did you leverage, what strengths to do, leverage effortlessly? How do you want to contribute? Those kinds of questions will help you further define. Where you might go next and who you want to be in that space and then the third step in as you've kind of walk through and go through these steps, a third step is, is acting taking action? Action makes things happen. So this is about small steps toward toward a change or toward a goal oftentimes for high performers. We see this a lot in this in this Always-On. Everything's urgent kind of world that we live in. You want to know how to get from A to Z tomorrow? I want to have it all laid out and I just want to go. It's not often you know how it works, right? You need to take small steps toward your goal. And then oftentimes your small steps start with identifying even just what you need to do to prepare for the change. So if you ask yourself that question, what do I need to even do to prepare for a change? I don't know what the change is going to be and have all the answers. But if I were to make a list of those handful of things that will help me prepare for change, OK, I can do that and start acting on those because you start to get momentum going. And oftentimes you in all of these steps, one, two and three, you're creating an open road for yourself that lets new thinking and that helps things come into your path that then will allow you to build on. So it's not about this radical shift. It's it's something that you're more intentional in planning for. And that would be my advice for those people that are starting to really kind of wake up and think it's time.
Keri [00:32:31] I wonderful, wonderful three steps like we were talking about earlier. It sounds so beautiful. The plan is great and the execution is, oh, so difficult. Not it just because, my gosh, questions like what do you want to be what I want to do? I mean, these are questions that we are not taught as children usually to ask. I mean, we ask like when you're five and you go, I want to be a fire person. Oh, good. A veterinarian. Oh, good. And that's about it. But I know Kelly and I talk a lot about that first one, which is what is draining your energy. And you use assessments. And I know Kelly and I, again, we're joking about the podcast with you before we recorded it is we editing would drain all our energy. That's eight hours that we don't have. We don't do it. And so we have to be kind of clear on what we will do and what we won't do because of that energy drain, because you're just no good for your clients, then you're no good for each other. So, Kelly, what are you we know your energy drain is is is editing a podcast, that's for sure. And social media that guarantee. And so we're trying to outsource this stuff so that the energy dries out as bad. What are you thinking about some of that beautiful advice that Tricia saved or shared with us?
Kelly [00:33:55] What I like the most is that you make it very tangible. So you're very honest about the fact that it's not about getting from A to Z tomorrow, which I think is how many of us live, myself included, of, OK, I made the decision, I'm going to do it tomorrow. It's all to be fixed. It's like anything else. It's a very intentional. And so the questions that you provided, in addition to saying find mental capacity. I think if you just said fine mental capacity, define who you want to be and take action to make things happen, that would be very overwhelming for somebody. But the way that you crystallized it to the point of saying, think about these questions, what's draining and zapping the of energy and that really forces you to stop and really think about it. And is it really as big a deal as maybe what you think it is or you kind of just like the drama that comes with, oh, I get to do something, I really don't like it, but actually I do, because it does give me energy. It's just an interesting way of of making something that I think is for a lot of people, something that they maybe want to do. You make it very tangible and real.
Tricia [00:34:58] Thank you.
Kelly [00:34:59] Would you say that that comes from your experience that where you were, you did pause and stop and think and prepare, or was that something that you are doing even before you had your health scare?
Tricia [00:35:11] Yeah, that's a great question. I, I would tell you, I, I did was not good about slowing down and and finding capacity. When I was when I was in the corporate world, I was on the hamster wheel like everybody else. And I mentioned like compartmentalizing. That was like my superpower. I was I was able to just kind of flow through as if as if everything was OK and I was not good at it. For me, this happened when that when I got hit over the head and in it and it was that wake up call that says, Girl, it's time. And then I knew it and I had to then I had to figure it out. So this was this was something that came from my own personal experience that I would say came kind of later in life. And but I'm but I'm super grateful for it because now I can share it with others
Kelly [00:36:17] Well, taking a situation that. Is very scary, I'm sure, in the moment, had to be very scary, terrifying as you're thinking about the what ifs and all of that, that you then decided, I've made it through, I'm healthier as a result. How do I pay it forward? I think speaks a lot to who you are as a person and taking advantage of the opportunity to say, how can I make things better not only for myself, my family, but for others in having had this moment. I just really appreciate the wisdom that you really shared and shared on our podcast today.
Tricia [00:36:55] Thank you. I appreciate the form to do that. It's it's become a mission of mine. It is about serving. And and you you ladies know that as well. Right. And you have that servant servant. So we all find our ways to do that, which is awesome.
Kelly [00:37:16] Absolutely. And again, just thank you so much. And again, it just is the power of, I think, positive thinking, taking a situation that, you know, in the moment you're trying to figure everything out. But when you have the time to reflect and really look at the photographs of those memories that you had during that time with your family, it does put things in perspective and how we shouldn't maybe take those things for granted. Right. We should take advantage and really appreciate the people in our lives and take stock of the people that we have in our lives, too, because there might be somewhere, you know, is that a relationship? I really even want anymore someone to support me and my decision. I love that you can use sort of this filter of your of your questions to say, does that relationship serve me any more? If it doesn't, then thinking about what the next steps look like. So we wish you a wish. You all the health and wellness in the world. Tricia, to you and your family. Thank you. Absolutely. We are so grateful for you to have joined our podcast and shared your incredibly inspirational story with us. And we encourage all of our listeners to connect with you. Tricia, you can check out the show notes in this episode for more information. And once again, Tricia, thank you so much for sharing your story.
Tricia [00:38:31] Thank you for having me.
Kelly [00:38:34] Our pleasure.
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